here’s the chat:
11:57:23 From Arlen, Santa Monica, CA to Everyone:
Hi David and All . . . I have no camera or mic on this pc, so I'll joist "loiter" if I may. :-)
11:59:13 From David Witzel to Everyone:
sounds good Arlen
12:01:05 From Christiana Gardikioti GREECE to Everyone:
hello I am here ...I will turn camera off and on (multitasking) ..please bear with me today Thnak you for the understanging ..
12:02:24 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
Greetings all. This is Daniel of Active Inference Institute, here is where we posted with more information at the mailing list: https://groups.google.com/a/policycommons.org/g/opensourceecosystems/c/zoFurrbR4as
12:02:26 From Christiana Gardikioti GREECE to Everyone:
I am CHristiana Gardikioti in Southern Greece Mt Parnonas Founder of the Meraki People https://www.merakipeople.gr
12:02:36 From Arlen, Santa Monica, CA to Everyone:
Good day All -- I'm in Los Angeles area. Interested in GRC folks and initiatives.
12:02:51 From Jordan Nicholas Sukut to Everyone:
Hi all, I am Jordan. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordannicholassukut
12:03:16 From Kamran Hughes to Everyone:
Hey I'm Kamran from Seattle! https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamranhughes/
12:03:24 From willemijn to Everyone:
Hi! This is Willemijn from open.landscape.network, a management software enabling environmental conservation projects to scale. unlock funding, and ultimately save the world. Happy to be here :)
12:03:30 From Kevin's Otter.ai to Everyone:
Hi, I'm an AI assistant helping Kevin Maher take notes for this meeting. Follow along the transcript here: https://otter.ai/u/QHQQiLUtVgdsQ2yVhuDsoFEx7iU?utm_source=va_chat_link_1
You'll also be able to see screenshots of key moments, add highlights, comments, or action items to anything being said, and get an automatic summary after the meeting.
12:03:35 From Carl Welty to Everyone:
Carl Welty - Los Angeles based architect
12:04:09 From Forrist Lytehaause to Everyone:
Hi, I'm Forrist http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/forrist reach out if you wish to connect.
12:04:13 From Edward Ober to Everyone:
Ed Ober - NC based grant writer and entrepreneur
12:04:18 From Ankita Raturi to Everyone:
Hi folks, I’m Ankita, director of the Agricultural Informatics Lab @ Purdue University (www.aginformaticslab.org), organizers for Gathering for Open Ag Tech (www.goatech.org) and faculty affiliate at Open Ag Tech + Systems Center at Purdue(www.oatscenter.org)
12:04:40 From Alexander Vyatkin to Everyone:
Hey, I am Alex, from ActiveInference.Institute
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexvyatkin/
12:05:19 From Kent Langley to Everyone:
Kent Langley - San Francisco Bay Area - North Bay - Technology Entrepreneur (Cloud/Blockchain/AI)
12:05:36 From Aarti Shah to Everyone:
Aarti Shah, currently in Nairobi, https://www.linkedin.com/in/aarti-shah-b61a65/
12:09:20 From Sam to Everyone:
Is https://impact.openfuturecoalition.org closed source?
12:09:45 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
afaik
12:13:25 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
Active Inference Institute https://www.activeinference.org/ All our activities are participatory and you can see them here: https://coda.io/@active-inference-institute/aii-onboarding/activities-7 More information at the mailing list: https://groups.google.com/a/policycommons.org/g/opensourceecosystems/c/zoFurrbR4as
12:15:44 From Rick (equity muse) to Everyone:
Meta-governance —elaborate
12:18:06 From David Witzel to Everyone:
questions of focus:
do you currently have external users outside of your group?
do you currently have external contributors who provide content and/or help develop the open-source product?
do you currently have an organizational or governance structure that enables collaborative development?
what activities will POSE funding support?
What is the expected Broader Impact of the proposed OSE?
12:20:11 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
@Rick to learn more about meta-governance: https://metagov.org/
12:20:25 From Kent Langley to Everyone:
Could we pin the active speaker?
12:21:56 From David Witzel to Everyone:
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12:22:03 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
@Kent, i think you can select speaker view (instead of gallery view) with the icon or the upper left?
12:22:58 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
sorry, at the upper RIGHT
12:23:05 From David Witzel to Everyone:
https://www.cgiar.org/
12:24:23 From Harrison to Everyone:
Does anyone have a list of companies that have been successful with NSF? And what were the specific metrics that drove its success?
12:24:36 From Jordan Nicholas Sukut to Everyone:
Deeply grateful to be here with you this morning. Let’s work together to land multiple grants and proposals across the network. Reach out at J@Lionsberg.org if you’d like to collaborate. I apologize I need to step out early.
12:24:49 From David Witzel to Everyone:
Thanks Jordan
12:25:00 From Edward Ober to Everyone:
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12:25:02 From Scott Morris to Everyone:
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12:25:06 From Jessica Groopman to Everyone:
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12:27:21 From David Witzel to Everyone:
@Sumer - at time
12:27:23 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
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12:28:52 From Sumer Johal to Everyone:
My email sjohal@linuxfoundation.org. Please DM me if you are interested in collaborating
12:30:21 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
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12:31:26 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
Very cool about the HSTP & HSML with Active Inference, we would definitely like to talk more about this.
12:31:39 From David Witzel to Everyone:
My contact - dwitzel@policycommons.org
Please share with anyone who wants to be on the email list (opensourceecosystems@policycommons.org)
12:32:58 From Carl Welty to Everyone:
I am an architect working on an initiative to retrofit existing uninsulated concrete buildings (90% of industrial buildings constructed before 1980 in California and most of developed countries) to eliminate need for air conditioning within 40 miles of the coast. currently working with engineer at UC Irvine who sees promise to qualify for DOE grants for energy retrofitting existing buildings
12:34:00 From Rick (equity muse) to Everyone:
How can we integrate the ethic of Equity Governance with Regenerative and sustainable governance along with operational methodologies, such as strategic doing?
https://equitymoonshot.substack.com/p/how-might-we-cultivate-anti-influence
12:36:27 From Scott Morris to Everyone:
+1 for the good vibes
12:37:42 From Carl Welty to Everyone:
there seems to be a radio in the back ground
12:37:46 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
Agreed about the emergent functionality of ecosystems.
12:42:25 From Edward Ober to Everyone:
Ed Ober - grant writer - eober@grantmanagementassoc.com 916-342-4333
12:43:48 From Dennis Britton in San Jose California to Everyone:
Probably aimed at Sumer: What is the business model for open source software? How is the initial development funded? is it crowd sourced? My understanding is that the eventual payoff for those contributors and the hosts of open source software is not only in reputation (social equity) but also in getting hired as consultants/employees or founding startups that are venture-funded.
12:44:04 From David Witzel to Everyone:
https://lionsberg.wiki/
12:44:39 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.01354 Designing Ecosystems of Intelligence from First Principles (Friston et al. 2022)
12:44:41 From Edward Ober to Everyone:
Can we develop a venn diagram exercise for this thought process to see where there are overlapping interests?
12:44:50 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
add 🐜
12:44:52 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
remove 🐜
12:44:53 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
add 🌿
12:45:17 From Scott Morris to Everyone:
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12:45:30 From Sumer Johal to Everyone:
Replying to "Probably aimed at Su..."
- launchpad for proprietary products (os = pre-competitive)
12:45:43 From Sumer Johal to Everyone:
Replying to "Probably aimed at Su..."
- interoperability
12:45:44 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
@Dennis, along with those components of OSS business models, there are many software projects where commercial businesses pay their own software developers to work on a project, where they need the ecosystem and systems that are being built, but they don't need it to be a competitive advantage.
12:46:14 From Sumer Johal to Everyone:
Replying to "Probably aimed at Su..."
- neutralizer for access to disadvantaged ecosystems (esp. digitally disadvantaged)
12:46:22 From Dennis Britton in San Jose California to Everyone:
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12:46:41 From Dennis Britton in San Jose California to Everyone:
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12:46:45 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
The overhead of making an application seems like a lot. Only a few teams will have the resources to make a successful application. If it is safe to assume everyone here would like to be part of a successful team, then my question is: How can we form multiple successful teams from those present… and others we might call in as Pete just mentioned?
12:47:16 From Dennis Britton in San Jose California to Everyone:
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12:48:06 From David Witzel to Everyone:
Grants funded by POSE
https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/advancedSearchResult?ProgEleCode=211Y&BooleanElement=Any&BooleanRef=Any&ActiveAwards=true#results
12:48:19 From Forrist Lytehaause to Everyone:
https://www.youtube.com/@spatialwebai
12:48:27 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
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12:48:28 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
Replying to "Can we develop a ven..."
This is a good idea. Who has a miro or other whiteboard we could use?
12:49:04 From Sumer Johal to Everyone:
Folks - I have to jump to another call. I look forward to any interest from the group to collaborate. My email is sjohal@linuxfoundation.org
12:49:24 From Daniel Mattos to Everyone:
I'm Daniel, Brazilian living in Portugal.
I don't write nor read any code at all. I'm philosopher and agroecologist. My work is in participative territorial planning, particularly focused in the emergent properties and features of mosaics of landscapes including in the designs forests and agroforests.
djlmmh@gmail.com
12:49:26 From Sam to Everyone:
I don't see any code for Lionsberg on Github etc. I think it must be proprietary.
12:49:54 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
Replying to "Can we develop a ven..."
This might work. I haven’t used this instance for collab before. https://draw.juici.ly/#room=30b42b56afa743124385,cGLKuE3jFVh04X8CNfo_Uw
12:50:06 From willemijn to Everyone:
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12:50:36 From Forrist Lytehaause to Everyone:
Here's a doc description the published paper by Karl Friston, et al - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JaHrXb8aVJBvNKWqNjGA6DATwuMb-NPu/view?usp=sharing
12:51:20 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
@Sam, all the Lionsberg documentation and background at https://lionsberg.wiki/ is open source (CC-BY), see the footer on each page. (I don't know about the impact platfom they use.)
12:51:45 From Scott Morris to Everyone:
Yeah do a dedicated session
12:52:11 From Sam to Everyone:
Replying to "@Sam, all the Lion..."
Yes it's the impact platform I was refering to. It seemed to be a key component of the application.
12:53:18 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
time mark: Ed is giving a short overview of applying for the grant
12:53:24 From Ankita Raturi to Everyone:
The RFP (https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2023/nsf23556/nsf23556.htm) also contains very specific language around what they do an do not fund, what they are looking for etc.
We usually also start with a close reading of the RFP and follow a very similar process to what @Edward shared :)
12:55:30 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
Here is a catechism format that we wrote, for approaching grants https://coda.io/d/Catechism-DB_dDI977il1RE/Catechisms_sumC5#Catechisms_tuH9R/r5&view=modal That may be a helpful starting point for people looking for a template to approach this or any grAnt.
12:57:02 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
one of the most respected definitions of "open source" is promulgated by OSI:
The Open Source Definition
https://opensource.org/osd/
12:57:38 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
it's about the openness of the technology, not about how people are compensated or not for working on it.
12:57:49 From David Witzel to Everyone:
note that POSE doesn't require it be software that is open source
12:58:05 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
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12:58:37 From Michael Grossman | Factr to Everyone:
Both in relation to this NSF opportunity and beyond, would love to talk to folks here (in session, or directly Michael@factr.com) about the constant equity/org structure conundrum that in an innovation landscape where VC money dominates—@rick was alluding to this earlier I think.
12:58:50 From Daniel Friedman to Everyone:
They note "Importantly, the POSE program does not itself support further development of open-source research products or infrastructure. " https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2023/nsf23556/nsf23556.htm
12:58:54 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
Replying to "note that POSE doesn..."
How about: https://ethicalsource.dev/ or https://bit.ly/holosourcing
12:59:07 From Ankita Raturi to Everyone:
https://goatech.org/
12:59:09 From Sam to Everyone:
Red hat is a $3.4bn corporate that produces exclusively open source software & services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat
12:59:11 From Ankita Raturi to Everyone:
https://forum.goatech.org/t/nsf-pose-grant-was-are-we-an-ecosystem/1459
12:59:40 From Michael Grossman | Factr to Everyone:
Replying to "Both in relation to ..."
…relatedly: The Ecosystem Incubator effort that Laure Cast (who couldn’t be here today) talked about last week is a group looking to create or identify economic templates for different entities to come together and cooperate instead of competing, and form a lowered-risk investment/funding opportunity.
13:00:15 From David Witzel to Everyone:
session with Ankita - May 17, noon ET
13:00:21 From Rick (equity muse) to Everyone:
Gotta go … fascinating session.
13:01:05 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
Replying to "Both in relation to ..."
🙏🏼
13:01:29 From Kent Langley to Everyone:
Thank you all. Very happy to be here and “meet” everyone. 🙂 kent@kentlangley.com if you wish to reach me.
13:01:54 From Ankita Raturi to Everyone:
I gotta go, but hope to see y’all on May 17th @ noon. I’ll send call-in info via Dave. Thanks for an interesting conversation!
13:03:02 From David Witzel to Everyone:
https://www.hylo.com/groups/nsf-grant-collaborators
13:04:33 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
https://forum.goatech.org/t/nsf-pose-grant-was-are-we-an-ecosystem/1459
13:04:47 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
https://www.hylo.com/groups/nsf-grant-collaborators
13:05:11 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
https://www.hylo.com/groups/nsf-grant-collaborators/join/StwYNweGGO
13:06:16 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
https://meet.jit.si/NSFGrantCollaborators
13:07:47 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
https://calendly.com/peterkaminski/60min
13:07:50 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
https://calendly.com/peterkaminski/30min
13:08:00 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone:
https://plex.collectivesensecommons.org/
13:08:03 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
https://calendly.com/consensual/collaboration
13:09:05 From David Witzel to Everyone:
plex subscriptions
https://plex.collectivesensecommons.org/2023-05-03/?ref=biweekly-plex-dispatch-newsletter
13:11:34 From Michael Grossman | Factr to Everyone:
Ed, don’t be dissuaded from sharing the Asana link too! 🙂
13:12:28 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
https://excalidraw.com/#room=f996fbad42f78a375982,tf11Rq5NqyyO2e5o_dU9tQ
13:13:02 From Forrist Lytehaause to Everyone:
Good call. Bye, all.
13:13:37 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
deiim@protonmail.com
13:13:52 From Michael Grossman | Factr to Everyone:
David, I know we’re recording—so for folks (specifically Laure) who couldn’t be here, how do they access that recording?
13:14:01 From Day Waterbury - Consensual Ventures to Everyone:
If it needs to be Google, day.waterbury@gmail.com
13:14:04 From Edward Ober to Everyone:
eober@grantmanagementassoc.com
13:14:22 From Michael Grossman | Factr to Everyone:
michael@factr.com
13:14:45 From Edward Ober to Everyone:
https://app.asana.com/share/grantmanagementassoc/nsf-collaboration/22833238439358/35b537e3752d6e835e038a28e465212b
